As far as spam, no I do not support it and I find it a major pain in the
tukas personnally and on our network. We waste way too much time and money
trying to deal with it. It is criminal (it should be) and should be
punished.
All I meant with regards to opinions was that I had only seen a couple of
posts here saying that Enom was a spammer. No proof showing that they
actually were. On the other side that I had only seen a couple of opinions
that Tucows was a good company but likewise no specific examples of why
Tucows is a good company.
We have been setup with OpenSRS and Tucows for a couple of years. But I have
not really gotten into all of the issues or kept up with industry news
related to domain registrars.
I appreciate your taking the time to write.
In a message dated 9/7/2002 1:27:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@it.ca
writes:
> There exist a number of ways to approach this. I can demonstrate the
> widespread awareness that certain companies (Enom, Verisign) are
> spamming through links to searches on NANAE, which I've already done.
> Compare the numbers of complaints regarding Enom versus Tucows, and
> you'll see that the segment of the industry which complains about abuse
> seems to feel the same way about these companies as I do. But as you
> say, comparison of ethics is based on opinion. If you feel that spam is
> perfectly acceptable and a valid way to promote one's business then I
> need a recap on what information you're looking for.
>
> > I would consider working with a good organization a benefit and I'd
> probably
> > pay more to do so. But everyone says they are good guys - even Microsoft
> has
> > their evangelizers and I've seen people shill for large companies on
> > newsgroups before. "Ethical business practices" is great but in real
> life
> > what are specific examples of this?
>
> You will probably not be able to find a mailing list message from an
> employee of Tucows/OpenSRS which even mentions ethics. At least, I've
> never seen one. All the talk of ethics is from Tucows customers who are
> pissed off at Enom/Register.com/Verisign spam.
>
> > Getting past the mudslinging and forgetting about enom for the moment,
> what
> > is so great specifically about Tucows/OpenSRS? I don't want to start any
>
> > futher flaming. I'd just like to know if anyone has any specific
> examples
> > from present day? Anecdotal stuff such as about spamming or not spamming
> is
> > not really a specific example unless specifics are provided.
>
> What kind of examples?
>
> How about this.... The absolute *worst* thing I've ever seen Tucows do
> was back in December 2001. For the whole story, you should read the
> list archives from about December 19th on, starting with references to
> "Tucows domain deletions" and "DIRECTSEEK.COM".
>
> In summary, IIRC, Tucows was experimenting with a new product they were
> hoping to develop, perhaps something along the lines of Snapnames. The
> problem was that they didn't announce to their resellers what they were
> developing, and they started "testing" things on domains which were just
> about to be deleted, with the effect that 45 days after expiry, a domain
> would suddenly have content for a day relating to the development
> project.
>
> The RSPs were in an uproar. Without rehashing the entire story, the
> Tucows reaction was to ask the RSPs (their customers) what they (Tucows)
> should do, and make a decision based on the response. The debate pretty
> much ended on December 21st at 7:30PM when, after hundreds of messages
> on discuss-list, Scott Allan posted a long and detailed explanation
> which satisfied everyone who was about to jump ship on ethical grounds,
> myself included. The way OpenSRS dealt with this issue made me even
> more a fan than I had been before. They made a mistake, acknowledged
> it, fixed it and apologized.
>
> If you're really interested and can't find list archives, let me know
> off-line and I'll forward you some of the "choice" posts which describe
> the issues and attitudes of both the RSPs and Tucows.
>
> Wow, I didn't mean to run off at the finger this much. As I said, the
> answer is long and involved. You will interpret things as you see fit.
>
> --
> Paul Chvostek <paul@it.ca>
> Operations / Abuse / Whatever +1 416 598-0000
> it.canada - hosting and development http://www.it.ca/
>
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