On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:23:18 -0500
Colin Viebrock <colin@easydns.com> wrote:
>Chris R Chapman wrote:
>> I've communicated with Charles directly and understand
>>what he needs-- and
>> his frustration.
>
>So have I, and I'm still not sure what he needs that
>isn't provided already.
I'm not either! LOL!
So lets all call a time-out so I can re-group and figure
out what holes I still need to fill.
>> Technically, yes, but that's just for the XCP message
>>itself. Charles is
>> driving at what happens _before_ the XCP is sent, ie the
>>handshaking and
>> preamble messages as per Appendix C. These aren't
>>provided in the API as
>> examples-- however, if you're comfortable with PERL,
>>these can be easily
>> discerned from the API instructions.
>
>True, but *they* are given as examples in the API, but
>not in the
>Appendix. CHECK_VERSION is in chapter 8.10, and
>AUTHENTICATE_USER is 8.4.
Yea but the issue still comes back to a *COMPLETE* example
of *ALL* the stuff / layers that occur between the brian's
desire to get a domain and getting OpenSRS to cough up
that domain ....
>> You're right, you are paranoid. As per the latter, the
>>API manual is, to be
>> blunt, a work in progress. There are numerous errors
>>and omissions, and if
>> I ever wrote something like that for a client, I'd lose
>>my advance and have
>> to re-write it on my own dime. While not a concern for
>>Charles, I hasten to
>> add that the quality of the PERL scripts also leaves a
>>hell of a lot to be
>> desired.
>
>I agree, the API manual could use some tweaking (in fact,
>I suggested a
>tweak just the other day). But of all the projects I've
>ever worked on,
>I have to say that OpenSRS's documentation is *far*
>better than most.
Please review my comment to date.
I've allways said I think I can make to (read: hack) with
the current docs *IF* I started with a working referance
system.
No gots said referance system ..... Yet ....
>>>started ... especially if you've been "programming micro
>>>compunters
>>>since [you] purchased a
>>>TRS-80 back in 1976".
>>
>> Condescension isn't necessary here-- Charles is just
>>trying to make the
>> point that he's not a complete neophyte. His
>>frustration is one I share
>> about the API documentation-- it is poorly written with
>>spotty examples, and
>> if you're not completely comfortable with PERL, you're
>>SOL.
>
>I wasn't being condescending (not intentionally). My
>point was that, if
>he isn't a complete neophyte, then he should have more
>than enough
>information at his fingertips to figure things out.
Like I said, I'm not, I don't, and emails I've received
clearly say "others feel my pain" --- Ok, I deserve a good
flame for that quote!
>Again, I think the API is written well enough and the
>examples are more
>than sufficient. We just have to agree to disagree on
>that.
>
>I would rather chew off my leg than look at Perl code.
> But I did, and
>coded the PHP class. So it can be done, and I am far
>from an expert
>programmer. Heck, I only started using TRS-80's in 1986!
> :)
I've *NEVER* disagreed that if I was *WILLING* to take a
course in Perl then I could do it on my own.
But as Chris has reveal, and both I and OpenSRS expected,
there are other who have gone though what I'm going though
and thus circumvent my having to learn Perl.
That is after all the very reason why this list system
exists! So we can share the friendly "exchange of favors"
and not have to keep reinventing / relearning the freeking
wheel ....
>> Give the guy a break! All of us have been at the bottom
>>end of a learning
>> curve at one time or another, and will probably continue
>>to be throughout
>> our careers.
>
>The difference, as I see it, is some of us are willing to
>put in the
>effort to at least try and climb up the curve, whereas
>others would
>rather be carried.
Yup!
But I'd rather be more productive though the process of
exchanging favors.
You give me the answers I seek now, I give person "X" the
answer they seek later, and person "X" gives you the
answer you seek after that! Of course this "circle" tend
to be much more convoluted in practice but you'all get the
idea!
It's sometimes refered to as being a team player ... ;-)
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