Well, RRP rules allow domains to be created without nameservers. Lame
delegation aside, it's a good point that we should alter manage.cgi to at
least reflect registry rules (i.e. com/net/org allows zero, but .biz does
not)
.biz disabling a name with one nameserver is a surprise to me - I'll get
some work done to help prevent that in the future.
Charles Daminato
TUCOWS Product Manager
chuck@tucows.com
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, ST wrote:
> No kidding? I didn't know that! So all the places, like NSI, that used
> to charge you extra to use their hostnames, and wouldn't allow you to
> register without them, were sorta ripping people off?
>
> Not to be rude, but I believe this thread started off with me pointing
> out that Neulevel deactivated my customers domain because it only had
> one hostname, without any notification that I'm aware of. So apparently
> no all registries allow this, and for that reason manage.cgi should be
> modified to at least take that into account.
>
> And is it still lame delegation if there are no hostnames for a domain?
> According to the OpenSRS FAQ's, which if I recall you wrote Charles,
> lame delegation "describes the phenomenon of domains being associated
> with name servers which do not actually have a zone file to describe
> that domain." It also says it breaks RFC, so for that reason I'd think
> that the registry would not allow domains without hostnames, if this is
> indeed lame delegation.
>
> I'd also note that forcing people to use hostnames still often results
> in lame delegation. It just forces them to enter valid hostnames, it
> doesn't really do anything to motivate them to set up a zone file for
> the domain on their DNS server.
>
> I still think something should be done to manage.cgi to help put an end
> to this issue. I know I could do it on my end, and it's on the list of
> about 50 other things I should do, but don't have the time. If anyone's
> got a patch, I'd appreciate it. :-)
>
> ST
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org
> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Charles Daminato
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:16 AM
> To: ST
> Cc: discuss-list@opensrs.org
> Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots
>
>
> Because registry allows you to register without hostnames (and the API,
> if
> you use register_domain does too) for those that wish to utilize it...
> We
> prefer to enforce the use of nameservers up front to help prevent lame
> delegation (but this answers why you can end up with less than 1
> nameserver via manage)
>
> Charles Daminato
> TUCOWS Product Manager
> chuck@tucows.com
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2002, ST wrote:
>
> > You can't register a domain without hostnames, so the domain would
> have
> > hostnames. The only way for it to end up without hostnames is if they
> > go into manage.cgi and delete them. Why would you need to delete the
> > hostnames in order to create new hostnames and switch to them. I don't
> > follow you. :-)
> >
> > ST
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Charles Daminato
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 9:38 AM
> > To: Robert L Mathews
> > Cc: discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots
> >
> >
> > A domain is allowed to have zero nameservers for one simple reason.
> You
> > are
> > able to create a domain, and them immediately create nameservers BASED
> > on
> > that domain, then associate it with that domain. Otherwise you'd have
> > to do
> > a weird workaround.
> >
> > Charles Daminato
> > OpenSRS Product Manager
> > Tucows Inc. - chuck@tucows.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > > [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Robert L Mathews
> > > Sent: December 28, 2001 3:17 PM
> > > Cc: discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > > Subject: RE: checking if a .biz domain is in the roots
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12/28/01 4:25 AM, ST wrote:
> > >
> > > >Turns out it was because the domain only had one DNS hostname
> listed,
> > so
> > > >Neulevel switched the status to inactive. Does anyone know why
> > > >manage.cgi allows users to remove hostnames if there are only two
> > left?
> > > >This issue has created a boatload of support issues for me, most
> > > >commonly people accidentally removing all their hostnames.
> > >
> > > Just as an alternate point of view, I have found the ability to
> remove
> > > all nameservers from a domain to be useful in certain rare
> instances,
> > so
> > > I would be opposed to anything that prevented that.
> > >
> > > (Of course, if people want to change their own manage.cgi to stop
> just
> > > their customers from doing so, it shouldn't be too hard.)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robert L Mathews, Tiger Technologies
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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