Hello,
> There have been many complaints on this list about V$ not releasing names.
which means what? The question I have is about policy. Is it Versign and
other registrars policy (or soon to be policy) to offer expired names to
their resellers and existing customer? That is the question I need answered.
> Honest people are always put at a disadvantage because of crooks.
very generic statement which has no relevance to my questions. One
definition of crook would be a person who does something illegal. So far
there has not been any mention of it being illegal for a registrar to offer
an expired name to their resellers or existing customers.
> It is not ignorant to play fair -- in fact, it is the right thing to do.
Another generic statement. It is all about context. Fair to who? Who defined
what fair means etc. And who said anything has to be fair in business? A
company's competitive advantage by definition is not fair ... But then again
we are back to what fair means in my example.
My understanding is this
- There is nothing in any contracts or rules that prevent a registrar from
offering names to their resellers and existing customers
- Therefore if all other registrars do this they are staying within the
rules
- Some people believe that that goes against "the spirit" of the agreement.
Obviously this is purely their opinion. If it is wrong then the contracts
need to be fixed.
- If all major registrars start offering expired domains internally, OpenSRS
resellers/customers will be at a disadvantage
since they wouldn't have access to all expired names, and everyone would
have access to OpenSRS expired names
- Thus the logical thing to do is for OpenSRS to offer expired names to
their resellers/customers first
later
David
-- Systematic Software david.iyoha@systware.com (513) 241 3331 ext. 9 Fax: (513) 241 0749 http://www.systware.com http://www.careerservicesonline.com> > At 05:35 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hello, > > > > > >My biggest issue is the we OpenSRS resellers are not at a disadvantage. > > > > > >So the questions we need to know are: > > >- Are other major registrars (Verisign, Register.com, Enom) > not returning > > >expired names to the general pool for all to gain access? > > >- Are other major registrars going to stop releasing expired > names to the > > >general pool in the near future? > > > > > >If so then it would be very ignorant of OpenSRS to keep > > releasing names to > > >the general pool while other major competitors are not. It would put us > > >resellers at a distinct disadvantage. > > > > > >Does anyone know the answers to my questions? Ross? Charles? > > > > > >thanks! > > > > > >David > > >-- > > >Systematic Software > > >david.iyoha@systware.com > > >(513) 241 3331 ext. 9 > > >Fax: (513) 241 0749 > > >http://www.systware.com > > >http://www.careerservicesonline.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org > > > > [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Hisey > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 4:15 PM > > > > To: discuss-list@opensrs.org > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Scott Allen is full of x- that is way > out of line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Don Brown" <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net> > > > > To: <discuss-list@opensrs.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:40 PM > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: Scott Allen is full of x- that is way > out of line > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ken. > > > > > > > > > > After reading the section about "autorenew" in the contract at > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/info/registry-agmt-appc-i-26apr01.htm > > > > > there is no doubt that it is a mechanism of convenience for > > V$ and the > > > > > Registrars, rather than the tender of any type of ownership > > > > rights to the > > > > > Registrar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the same contact and get something completely > > different. (I guess > > > > that's why we have lawyers.) > > > > Anyway, there is no mention of why there is a grace period, only > > > > that there > > > > is one. There is also no mention of what can (beyond > delete, renew or > > > > transfer) and can't be done in that time period. The only thing > > > > beyond doubt > > > > is that TUCOWS has been charged money, and the name isn't > > available to any > > > > other registrar. I would say that gives TUCOWS freedom and > > > > control......... > > > > at least for 45 days. > > > > > > > > Dennis Hisey > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:15 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Ken Joy wrote: > > > > > >My two cents on this one... > > > > > > > > > > > >I believe the only reason we have to pay for domains on expiry > > > > is because > > > > > >Verisign has that 'autorenew' feature on a domains > > > > expiry.....some other > > > > > >registries don't work that way....I think it's more a > > > > comprimise that was > > > > > >made when fitting the rules from the Single Registrar model > > > > into the new > > > > > >reality of multiple registrars...and not something we can infer > > > > 'ownership' > > > > > >from. > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > >Ken > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org > > > > > > > [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of > > Michael Brody > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:14 PM > > > > > > > To: Don Brown; discuss-list@opensrs.org > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Scott Allen is full of x- that is way > > > > out of line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then we disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 11:57 AM 1/2/2002 -0600, Don Brown wrote: > > > > > > > >At 12:49 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Michael Brody wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>If the registrar has put up the money to hold the > domain then > > > > > > > don't they > > > > > > > >>have some form of rights to the domain? The registrar is in > > > > > > > fact holding > > > > > > > >>the domains because they have put up their money to hold > > > > the names. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>michael > > > > > > > >>mbrody@tldsystems.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. > > > > > donbrown@inetconcepts.net http://www.inetconcepts.net > > > > > PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: > > > > (972) 788-5049 > > > > > Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > ---- > > Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. > > donbrown@inetconcepts.net http://www.inetconcepts.net > > PGP Key ID: 04C99A55 (972) 788-2364 Fax: > (972) 788-5049 > > Providing Internet Solutions Worldwide - An eDataWeb Affiliate > > ---- > >
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