Expired names are a little fscked up contractually because the contract
refers to active Registered Names...which creates a double positive with
regards to the definition of Registered names - I'm not saying that the
interpretation is right, but ICANN has typically hated to enforce in
instances where there might be a contractual loophole (ie - transfers).
-rwr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Petersen" <mark@planet-nic.com>
To: "Charles Daminato" <chuck@tucows.com>
Cc: "John T. Jarrett" <john@logonisp.com>; <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 22:20 Moo!
Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> Actually, the exact maneuver I was referring to was how they seize domains
> which have *expired*.
> I can't comment on Register.Com and charge backs, but I do have first hand
> experience with then
> changing the registrant information if you refuse to renew with them, then
> holding the domain indefinitely.
> I know for a fact that they DO change the information, and that they DO
NOT
> always submit for deletion.
> 2 clients of mine have domains that Register.Com has been holding in
exactly
> this status since they expired. One 3
> months ago, the other 5 months ago. I know that, because they do it
doesn't
> make it right. But then, it's not right
> that the rules only apply to those without the means to stagnate a legal
> battle either.
> -Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Daminato" <chuck@tucows.com>
> To: "Mark Petersen" <mark@planet-nic.com>
> Cc: "John T. Jarrett" <john@logonisp.com>; <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
>
>
> > Precedence does not make it "right". I don't fully understand the
> > legalities of it (Ross would have to explain - Ross?), but I
> > believe Register does not take control of the domain (i.e. they
> > don't assume ownership and sell to soemone else). They simply
> > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on hold until the day it
> > expires (then it goes up for deletion)
> >
> > Charles Daminato
> > TUCOWS Product Manager
> > chuck@tucows.com
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote:
> >
> > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is allowed to seize domains on a
daily
> > > basis.
> > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS information from whatever *was*
> there
> > > to:
> > >
> > > register.com
> > > Unpaid Names Department-R
> > > 575 Eighth Avenue
> > > New York, NY 10018
> > > US
> > > Phone: 212-798-9200
> > > Fax..: 212-594-9876
> > > Email: admin@register.com
> > >
> > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to?
> > > It's supposed to be a level playing field, right?
> > > Good luck,
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > Mark Petersen mark@planet-nic.com
> > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <john@logonisp.com>
> > > To: <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM
> > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Paul over in compliance says it is against ICANN reg's for
> > > > me to change admin info after a customer refunds on the
> > > > domain name registration:
> > > >
> > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are not allowed to change
> > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. It appears as though
> > > > you are trying to take away someone else's property."
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it looks. I've offered the
> > > > refund codes from the merchant account holder LinkPoint
> > > > themselves so there's proof behind appearances.
> > > >
> > > > Can y'all point me to what he's talking to? I can't find it
> > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I don't mind complying
> > > > with written rules if I can find them, but I'd rather not
> > > > let this woman steal three domain name registrations if I
> > > > don't have to!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > John
> > > > domains@logonisp.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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