Ok, like I said I'm playing by the rules I agreed to.
But let's take what you've said. You have a fellow bulk-buy
his domains from you, say ten at $200. Then he backs out so
you've paid at least 3% both ways to your merchant account
at this point - plus your time.
Let's say he backs out because he found he could register
them for $7 somewhere else and save himself $130.
If you then delete them, he CAN now register them and save
himself the money.
You, however, are now out the $100 to OpenSRS plus the 6%
(say $12) to merchant accounts and by getting the domains
deleted, you will never see a penny of that $112 - not to
mention compensation for your time in good-faith registering
those names.
That is not a fiscally responsible handling of the
situation!
> At point in time does the registrar or the
> reseller have any claim of
> "ownership" to the domain name.
Who ever does? That's a misnomer. And I'd state again, if I
paid for the domain name and they didn't, I should! If they
pull their payment, then they have pulled their right to
what that payment bought as well.
John
john@logonisp.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM
> To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark Petersen'
> Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; discuss-list@opensrs.org
> Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
>
>
> At point in time does the registrar or the
> reseller have any claim of
> "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't been
> paid, the "right" thing to
> do is delete it. The registrar has no superior
> claims to a domaim...we are
> also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of your
> registrar accreditation
> agreement is pretty specific about this. Besides,
> you should know better
> than to let other registrars set a bad example
> for you. If this was the best
> way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as
> Network Solutions - and be
> charging $35 a year for the privilege.
>
> Can't say that I like it much, but the rules are
> there to be played by -
> except by those that don't.
>
> -rwr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donny Simonton" <donny@intercosmos.com>
> To: "'Charles Daminato'" <chuck@tucows.com>;
> "'Mark Petersen'"
> <mark@planet-nic.com>
> Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <john@logonisp.com>;
> <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo!
> Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund
>
>
> > Chuck,
> > Don't want to make this any worse, but we do
> the same thing at
> > directNIC. If a customer charges back on us,
> they did not pay for the
> > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the
> registration fees, but I paid the
> > chargeback fees. So we take the domains and
> put them up for sale. If I
> > could I would redirect them to some horse porn
> site, but the owners
> > wouldn't let me. :)
> >
> > So I do understand why register.com and godaddy
> confiscate domains.
> >
> > Donny
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org
> [mailto:owner-discuss-
> > > list@opensrs.org] On Behalf Of Charles Daminato
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM
> > > To: Mark Petersen
> > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> > >
> > > Precedence does not make it "right". I don't
> fully understand the
> > > legalities of it (Ross would have to explain
> - Ross?), but I
> > > believe Register does not take control of the
> domain (i.e. they
> > > don't assume ownership and sell to soemone
> else). They simply
> > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on hold
> until the day it
> > > expires (then it goes up for deletion)
> > >
> > > Charles Daminato
> > > TUCOWS Product Manager
> > > chuck@tucows.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is
> allowed to seize domains on a
> > daily
> > > > basis.
> > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS
> information from whatever
> > *was*
> > > there
> > > > to:
> > > >
> > > > register.com
> > > > Unpaid Names Department-R
> > > > 575 Eighth Avenue
> > > > New York, NY 10018
> > > > US
> > > > Phone: 212-798-9200
> > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876
> > > > Email: admin@register.com
> > > >
> > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to?
> > > > It's supposed to be a level playing field, right?
> > > > Good luck,
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > Mark Petersen mark@planet-nic.com
> > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <john@logonisp.com>
> > > > To: <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is
> against ICANN reg's for
> > > > > me to change admin info after a customer
> refunds on the
> > > > > domain name registration:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are not
> allowed to change
> > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. It
> appears as though
> > > > > you are trying to take away someone
> else's property."
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it
> looks. I've offered the
> > > > > refund codes from the merchant account
> holder LinkPoint
> > > > > themselves so there's proof behind appearances.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's talking
> to? I can't find it
> > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I don't
> mind complying
> > > > > with written rules if I can find them,
> but I'd rather not
> > > > > let this woman steal three domain name
> registrations if I
> > > > > don't have to!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > John
> > > > > domains@logonisp.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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