Ross, if the customer buys a domain for 10 years and uses a stolen
credit card, and I don't find out about it until 20 days after the
registration. Since they never paid for the registration to begin with
in my model which is registrar->customer, I paid for the domain the
customer did not. In this case I am the owner, and we have talked with
"certain people" who agree with us on this one. In the
registrar->reseller->customer model, that's something completely
different.
Donny
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:14 PM
> To: Donny Simonton; 'Charles Daminato'; 'Mark Petersen'
> Cc: 'John T. Jarrett'; discuss-list@opensrs.org
> Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
>
> At point in time does the registrar or the reseller have any claim of
> "ownership" to the domain name. If it hasn't been paid, the "right"
thing
> to
> do is delete it. The registrar has no superior claims to a domaim...we
are
> also just "pass-throughs"...section 3.5 of your registrar
accreditation
> agreement is pretty specific about this. Besides, you should know
better
> than to let other registrars set a bad example for you. If this was
the
> best
> way to proceed, then we'd all suck as much as Network Solutions - and
be
> charging $35 a year for the privilege.
>
> Can't say that I like it much, but the rules are there to be played by
-
> except by those that don't.
>
> -rwr
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donny Simonton" <donny@intercosmos.com>
> To: "'Charles Daminato'" <chuck@tucows.com>; "'Mark Petersen'"
> <mark@planet-nic.com>
> Cc: "'John T. Jarrett'" <john@logonisp.com>;
<discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 21:29 Moo!
> Subject: RE: Changing Admin Info after Refund
>
>
> > Chuck,
> > Don't want to make this any worse, but we do the same thing at
> > directNIC. If a customer charges back on us, they did not pay for
the
> > domain, I did. Not only did I pay the registration fees, but I paid
the
> > chargeback fees. So we take the domains and put them up for sale.
If I
> > could I would redirect them to some horse porn site, but the owners
> > wouldn't let me. :)
> >
> > So I do understand why register.com and godaddy confiscate domains.
> >
> > Donny
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org [mailto:owner-discuss-
> > > list@opensrs.org] On Behalf Of Charles Daminato
> > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM
> > > To: Mark Petersen
> > > Cc: John T. Jarrett; discuss-list@opensrs.org
> > > Subject: Re: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> > >
> > > Precedence does not make it "right". I don't fully understand the
> > > legalities of it (Ross would have to explain - Ross?), but I
> > > believe Register does not take control of the domain (i.e. they
> > > don't assume ownership and sell to soemone else). They simply
> > > "hold" it, if it's not paid it stays on hold until the day it
> > > expires (then it goes up for deletion)
> > >
> > > Charles Daminato
> > > TUCOWS Product Manager
> > > chuck@tucows.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Mark Petersen wrote:
> > >
> > > > Stand on precedence. Register.Com is allowed to seize domains on
a
> > daily
> > > > basis.
> > > > The routinely change registrants WHOIS information from whatever
> > *was*
> > > there
> > > > to:
> > > >
> > > > register.com
> > > > Unpaid Names Department-R
> > > > 575 Eighth Avenue
> > > > New York, NY 10018
> > > > US
> > > > Phone: 212-798-9200
> > > > Fax..: 212-594-9876
> > > > Email: admin@register.com
> > > >
> > > > If they can do it, why shouldn't we be able to?
> > > > It's supposed to be a level playing field, right?
> > > > Good luck,
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > Mark Petersen mark@planet-nic.com
> > > > Planet Nic http://www.planet-nic.com
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John T. Jarrett" <john@logonisp.com>
> > > > To: <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Changing Admin Info after Refund
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul over in compliance says it is against ICANN reg's for
> > > > > me to change admin info after a customer refunds on the
> > > > > domain name registration:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I hate to tell you this but you are not allowed to change
> > > > > the whois information - ICANN rules. It appears as though
> > > > > you are trying to take away someone else's property."
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, I couldn't care less how it looks. I've offered the
> > > > > refund codes from the merchant account holder LinkPoint
> > > > > themselves so there's proof behind appearances.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can y'all point me to what he's talking to? I can't find it
> > > > > in the UDRP or the Reg Agreement. I don't mind complying
> > > > > with written rules if I can find them, but I'd rather not
> > > > > let this woman steal three domain name registrations if I
> > > > > don't have to!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > John
> > > > > domains@logonisp.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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