Hello Jose,
Let's be honest. You knew about this. You was warned and
you participated on your own risk. So now you have choice:
1. If you don't need these names, do not renew. Simple.
2. If you need them (well, this mean that IDNs are not as
useless as everyone says) - renew them. Simple again.
I guess you want have third option - you need them and don't
want to pay for what you need. I can understand this, but
I can't understand how Tucows can help you with this.
Only one thing comes to mind - maybe instant web-redirect
for IDNs can rise a bit popularity of multilingual domains,
just like email service for .name, but for free. But again,
it's up to Verisign to implement such things, not Tucows.
p.s. After all, you still have valid working domain,
bq--whatever :)
-- sKJL> I think some of us just want to be sure that OSRS just doesn't forget about JL> it. JL> For example... I do not expect Tucows to "absorb cost", but how about JL> charging nett or doing a refund for part of the cost of those renewals... we JL> would ALL be loosing at least. JL> In my case is not going to mean me a hell of a lot of money, but it would JL> definetively make me feel better and more confident with "our friends" at JL> Tucows. JL> Regards.
JL> Jose Luis
JL> ----- Original Message ----- JL> From: "Tom McDonald" <tom@vpop.net> JL> To: <discuss-list@opensrs.org> JL> Cc: "Marc Schneiders" <marc@fuchsia.bijt.net> JL> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:15 AM JL> Subject: Re[2]: Multilinguals again!!
>> >> >> Wednesday, April 30, 2003, 4:58:29 AM, you wrote: >> >> To me, this is funny. Did Tucows fail in making IDN's available? >> Does Tucows have a say in its future deployment? Does Tucows have a >> say in whether or not renewals are charged? The universal answer is: >> No. I wonder what would happen if the .BIZ folks decided to make >> the Registrar fee $100 for a renewal. Would that be Tucows' fault? >> No. They can only deal with what has been handed to them and try to >> protect you where they can. But they cannot be expected to absorb >> cost for something that is out of their control - That is 'funny'. >> >> It is pretty obvious to me that Tucows *does* make life easier for >> its clients when they can, for the most part. No one feels like the >> required renewal of IDNs is fair, except for VGRS. But what should >> Tucows do? Should they absorb that cost? Surely not. >> >> Marc, if you're bent, like many other people, talk to Verisign - Do >> not accuse Tucows of leaving you hanging out to dry when they had no >> say in the matter. We all had as much info as them when the first >> mentions of IDN came around. They enabled it and you (like many >> others) jumped on it. I would venture to guess that Tucows has a ton >> of loss associated with this fiasco and even more when dealing with >> their resellers. But to try and lay the blame on them is like trying >> to lay the blame on cable companies when the local networks pulled >> the plug [briefly] on distribution because they wanted more money. >> Silly, IMHO of course. >> >> -tom >> >> MS> The fact that "you said so", does not absolve Tucows from the JL> obligation >> MS> to make life for its customers easy. Really. If Tucows knew it was not JL> a >> MS> good idea, they shouldn't have sold it. Tucows did sell it, even JL> promote >> MS> it. So, am I right, that Tucows now abandons those who bought this >> MS> product? >> >> MS> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, at 12:31 [=GMT-0400], James M Woods wrote: >> >> >> I don't disagree here. I spoke in the ICANN public forums in Nov 2000 >> >> and March 2001 stating just that, but alas my words fell on deaf ears. >> >> >> >> Reality is the registry does charge full rate for them and will JL> continue >> >> to do so, plug-in or not. Do we like this? Absolutely not. But I remain >> >> that if IDN's are important to your customers for whatever reason, you >> >> have the ability to make 'em happy ;) >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org >> >> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org] On Behalf Of Homero A. Gonzalez >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:55 AM >> >> To: discuss-list@opensrs.org >> >> Subject: Re: Multilinguals again!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose Luis: >> >> >> >> I agree. Do as I will do. Don't renew them. As they are right now IDN's >> >> are a joke. They should be renewed for free, until they work with NO >> >> PLUGIN. >> >> >> >> Very nice experiment. Funded by people who registered domains they JL> could >> >> not use. By the way, the plugin has been working only for a few months. >> >> Not a year (the term we originally registered the domains for) >> >> >> >> IDN's are unfair. What do you think James? >> >> >> >> Thank you. Homero A. Gonzalez >> >> >> >> > Thanks for your response James, but it sounds completely out of order >> >> > to pay full rate for something that simply doesn't work. I understand >> >> > by your words this is now a decision made that is not going to >> >> > change... last time we had IDNs renewal it was finally aborted for 6 >> >> > months by Versign. Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Jose Luis >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "James M Woods" <jwoods@tucows.com> >> >> > To: "'Jose Luis Moya'" <joseluis@alsur.es>; JL> <discuss-list@opensrs.org> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:21 AM >> >> > Subject: RE: Multilinguals again!! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Jose, >> >> >> >> >> >> Your clients should renew their .com and .net domains as of February >> >> >> 2003 if they wish to continue to be part of the "IDN experiment". JL> Org >> >> >> >> >> domains however do not need to be renewed since they are all on hold >> >> >> until PIR decides what they intend to do with IDN's. (and I have no >> >> >> clue what their intentions are beyond that). >> >> >> >> >> >> Verisign is planning a migration of all com and net IDN's to the new >> >> >> IDN RFC standards. Tucows is taking part in this migration and I JL> will >> >> >> >> >> have more news to share in the coming months on this effort. >> >> >> >> >> >> I share your distain for a plug-in solution but respectfully IDN's >> >> >> are not an easy challenge to overcome with the overall complexity of >> >> >> allowing every language to interoperate within the DNS. I maintain >> >> >> that the effort is just and those wishing to take part in the >> >> >> experiment should stay along for the ride :) I feel confident that JL> in >> >> >> >> >> the near future a non-plug-in solution will be viable. >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> >> >> James M Woods >> >> >> Product Manager-TLDs >> >> >> Tucows Inc. >> >> >> 416-535-0123 ext. 1305 >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org >> >> >> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org] On Behalf Of Jose Luis Moya >> >> >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:29 PM >> >> >> To: discuss-list@opensrs.org >> >> >> Subject: Multilinguals again!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This seems to be my question to the list every few months: >> >> >> >> >> >> Do clients have to renew their multilingual domains, or can we just >> >> >> ignore the alerts??? >> >> >> >> >> >> I wont ask in this case if they will ever work as they were JL> supposed >> >> >> >> >> to work I think about 2 years ago now (normally without plugins I >> >> >> mean), I just need to know if the situation of hold without charge >> >> >> will remain till "something happens". Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose Luis >> >> >> >> >> >> "The purpose of all war is ultimately peace." >> >> - Saint Augustine >> >> >> >> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do >> >> nothing." >> >> - Edmund Burke >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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