On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 09:06, Elliot Noss wrote:
> comments inline. only because you continue to make ever broader accusations
> do I respond.
they remain consistent, Elliot.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: domainwhiz [mailto:domainwhiz@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:28 AM
> > To: Elliot Noss
> > Cc: Discuss List
> > Subject: RE: Tucows survey [offlist]
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 08:11, Elliot Noss wrote:
> > > You have made it clear to me that you are
> >
> > > a) no longer a customer
> >
> > Not true. But when the email service rolled out, our company did hedge
> > its bets and signup with other providers as well, and transitioned our
> > interfaces to be provider independent. Switching to a new primary
> > provider is as easy as making a single change to a configuration
> > variable.
>
> this is what I recall you telling me offlist months ago when I asked you
> about some other criticism. that you do all your new registrations elsewhere
> and were in the process of transferring existing names. I could be wrong
> (and do not propose to take the time to sort through my mail not because it
> is not important but because it will siply take too long).
I never said this, Elliot.
I maintain a complete archive of all of my email, list and otherwise,
and would be happy to post up on a website all email exchanges, on-list
and off-list, with you to substantiate this.
I simply told you (Last February in the discussion on the email service
in the same vein as this discussion) that in discussions like these, I
value my anonymity highly. I also know I can speak more freely this
way, and not risk damage to the business that I and my partners have
built over the last 7 years, and without doing anything that can be
reflected back badly on them.
We are still actively engaged in registrations with your company, a
decision that we made (and that I referred to in my email exchanges with
you on the subject) despite the email service offering because at that
time I did not consider that service alone as "too serious a competitive
service" to quote exactly from my email, but that I would need to "keep
a wary eye toward the double bovine corporation's future plans."
> >
> >
> > > b) wouldn't tell me your username because we are then likely to
> > steal your
> > > remaining names under management.
> >
> > You would have to violate your contract with the company I work for to
> > do that, and that would land you a lawsuit. But thank you for noting
> > that you would "steal" domain customers from a reseller who is critical
> > of your corporate plans. It was this threat that made me decide to send
> > this to the list.
> >
>
> IIRC, when I asked you offlist for your username months ago the reason you
> gave for not giving it to me was that you still had some names with us that
> you had not yet transferred and you feared that if you gave me your username
> we would "make it difficult for you". if I have you confused with someone
> else then I apologize, but I do pretty strongly recall asking you about your
> anonymity and you including that VERY CLEARLY in your explaination for it. I
> found this fear paranoid and silly for the reasons that you outline above,
> but that is what I was referring to. your fear, not our actions.
Either you are being blatantly misleading about our exchanges in the
past in order to try to discredit me, or you are grossly mistaken. We
NEVER had any exchange along those lines. I will post every email
between us if necessary, and insist you provide documentation for your
comments.
> [snip]
> >
> > > That being said please do not be insulting to other list members. It is
> > > inappropriate.
> >
> > I was not insulting them, Elliot. I was asking them a question, a
> > simple question, and one that makes the very point that I feel is
> > central and key to this entire discussion. I know that this point is
> > probably one of the single most damaging to your case in defending your
> > service offering, because it shows the VERY wide gap between those who
> > know, and those who don't, and shows just how big a gap you are closing
> > by offering this service. The harm to your best and largest resellers
> > that will happen from your closing this gap is substantial, to us
> > anyway.
>
> IMHO you were clearly being insulting. I would be surprised if the
> recipients of the comments did not feel the same way.
>
> >
> > Making threats via private email to shut up the criticism will not help
> > your case.
> >
>
> res ipsa loquitor. a polite request is not a threat. if you want to continue
> with this please do it privately.
But you did make a threat, Elliot. And now are playing it off as
something else entirely. Perhaps as damage control. I will let the
other list members decide for themselves which it is.
-- domainwhiz <domainwhiz@yahoo.com>
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.3 : Tue Oct 19 2004 - 23:37:44 EDT