Excellent. Two points here, one ezgoing is right. First, I did confuse
domainwhiz with him. Prior to this post I had already emailed domainwhiz
that I was happy to take him at his word and apologized for confusing him
with someone else.
Second, below is the post where I was "telling (ezgoing) to shut up or stay
off the list because (I) did not like some of the comments (he) had recently
made on the list".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliot Noss" <enoss@tucows.com>
To: "ezgoing" <ezgoing8@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: what we think and what we think to
I know you have posted for a long time, but never with a sig file and always
with a third-party email address (unless you actually work at BellSouth).
Would you mind giving me your reseller name? I went over a number of your
old comments and I am just being paranoid about trolling. Thanks in advance.
Regards
--------------------------------
Regards
Elliot Noss
Tucows inc.
416-538-5494
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org
> [mailto:owner-discuss-list@opensrs.org]On Behalf Of
> ezgoing8@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: Discuss List
> Subject: Re: Tucows survey [offlist]
>
>
> I think you have domainwhiz confused with me.
>
> Several months ago you send me a private email telling me to shut
> up or stay
> off the list because you did not like some of the comments I had recently
> made on the list.
>
> At that time I told you that when OpenSRS was attacked and was right I was
> quick to defend OpenSRS but when OpenSRS was wrong I did not hesistate to
> state you were wrong.
>
> At that time I refused to give you my reseller login when you
> requested it.
> I told you that I no longer used you as a source of registrations
> but still
> had a large number of existing clients using your service and do
> not wish to
> jeoprodize them by providing you this information. I told you that I was
> attempting to move these clients to another service and once that was
> complete I would no longer be on the list nor concerned with what you did.
> Unfortunately I still have a few clients that want you as the
> Registrar so I
> keep up with the list.
>
> At that point I did not trust your company to keep your word nor act
> honorable. You may consider that paranoid but I think the events
> justified
> that feeling on my part. I never expected that you would be
> sending emails
> to those who disagreed with OpenSRS policies to tell them to shut
> up or stay
> off the list. You did not use these exact words but your email
> made it very
> clear that was what you meant.
>
> Since that email I have not posted directly to the list prio to this but I
> am not surpraised you are moving into the other services. Eventually you
> will move into hosting, completing the cycle. But the resellers
> who remain
> with you only have themselves to blame for their loss of business, as this
> trend was evident some time ago.
>
> Of course I don't expect you to accept that you have acted dishonorably
> toward your resellers but I do remember when I first started with
> OpenSRS we
> were told that OpenSRS would not move into the other services offered by
> their resellers.
>
> We are now down to a small number of domains with you, most of
> whom expire
> in future years. And none of them use our hosting services or they would
> have been transferred as well since we now offer free domain
> registration to
> our hosting clients. So I really do not care what services you offer in
> the future as it will have very little impact on us.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elliot Noss" <enoss@tucows.com>
> To: "domainwhiz" <domainwhiz@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Discuss List" <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:06 AM
> Subject: RE: Tucows survey [offlist]
>
>
> > comments inline. only because you continue to make ever broader
> accusations
> > do I respond.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: domainwhiz [mailto:domainwhiz@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:28 AM
> > > To: Elliot Noss
> > > Cc: Discuss List
> > > Subject: RE: Tucows survey [offlist]
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 08:11, Elliot Noss wrote:
> > > > You have made it clear to me that you are
> > >
> > > > a) no longer a customer
> > >
> > > Not true. But when the email service rolled out, our company
> did hedge
> > > its bets and signup with other providers as well, and transitioned our
> > > interfaces to be provider independent. Switching to a new primary
> > > provider is as easy as making a single change to a configuration
> > > variable.
> >
> > this is what I recall you telling me offlist months ago when I asked you
> > about some other criticism. that you do all your new registrations
> elsewhere
> > and were in the process of transferring existing names. I could be wrong
> > (and do not propose to take the time to sort through my mail not because
> it
> > is not important but because it will siply take too long).
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > b) wouldn't tell me your username because we are then likely to
> > > steal your
> > > > remaining names under management.
> > >
> > > You would have to violate your contract with the company I work for to
> > > do that, and that would land you a lawsuit. But thank you for noting
> > > that you would "steal" domain customers from a reseller who
> is critical
> > > of your corporate plans. It was this threat that made me
> decide to send
> > > this to the list.
> > >
> >
> > IIRC, when I asked you offlist for your username months ago the
> reason you
> > gave for not giving it to me was that you still had some names with us
> that
> > you had not yet transferred and you feared that if you gave me your
> username
> > we would "make it difficult for you". if I have you confused
> with someone
> > else then I apologize, but I do pretty strongly recall asking you about
> your
> > anonymity and you including that VERY CLEARLY in your
> explaination for it.
> I
> > found this fear paranoid and silly for the reasons that you
> outline above,
> > but that is what I was referring to. your fear, not our actions.
> >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > > That being said please do not be insulting to other list members. It
> is
> > > > inappropriate.
> > >
> > > I was not insulting them, Elliot. I was asking them a question, a
> > > simple question, and one that makes the very point that I feel is
> > > central and key to this entire discussion. I know that this point is
> > > probably one of the single most damaging to your case in
> defending your
> > > service offering, because it shows the VERY wide gap between those who
> > > know, and those who don't, and shows just how big a gap you
> are closing
> > > by offering this service. The harm to your best and largest resellers
> > > that will happen from your closing this gap is substantial, to us
> > > anyway.
> >
> > IMHO you were clearly being insulting. I would be surprised if the
> > recipients of the comments did not feel the same way.
> >
> > >
> > > Making threats via private email to shut up the criticism
> will not help
> > > your case.
> > >
> >
> > res ipsa loquitor. a polite request is not a threat. if you want to
> continue
> > with this please do it privately.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Elliot Noss
> > Tucows inc.
> > 416-538-5494
> >
> >
>
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